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Before you sit down and gobble up that Thanksgiving turkey, you may be interested in the process by which it gets to your plate. Ever wondered where you turkey came from before it got to your plate? I've regurgitated this old post that shows us exactly how we get our Thanksgiving meal by going inside a North Carolina turkey plant. Surely you'll pull a tu quoque on me if I were to suggest such things were bad, and its true I have a lovely Thanksgiving turkey in my fridge as we speak- but we must admit the concept of eating food, is rather distant from the disturbing way we obtain it. I suppose if we're really going to pray for something to be thankful for on Thanksgiving then it should be for Jesus to genetically modify turkeys to have no sense of pain.

Now go get that weeping, sad turkey in the oven.

PETA is an outright fraud. They extract money from organizations like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. They will not address issues unless there is a large corporation that they can bribe or extract money from for their organization. They did absolutey nothing about the dogs that were thrown off bridges by the hundreds by the Mayor in Guyama, Puerto Rico. As matter fact the representative from PETA there is a relative of the political machine and kept her mouth shut.... Please refer back to story run by CNN about 2-4 months ago. It is a disgrace, alot of dogs were still alive in bags sufferring from being thrown over the bridges by the hundreds. Where was PETA on that?! Please start commenting on this and blogging, we need your help and donations! The Humane Society run by a nurse who retired from the army and moved there to retire but took up this huge task instead and runs a NON-Kill sanctuary in Guyama saving all the dogs that are stray, and have been discarded by the people there, 16 hours a day.

I have to tell you, Puerto Rico, which is the United States filled with Pedigree, McDonalds, Burger King, and the rest have done nothing to help us or donate even food to help us. Please help us, and spread the word. I can send you pictures, and her home number is 787-866-0091 & her cell number is 787-217-2336 (Leave messages of support!). Please get involved. It is a stand alone non-profit and our prayers need to be answered. My home number is 845-563-0397, and my cell number is 845-674-3946 if you want to speak to me to verify everything and make sure it is legitimate. Donations are deductible and every penny is spent on the dogs for medical needs, vetinary assistance, shots, neuturing, food, shelter on the sanctuary land. Please I am praying and begging you. It is ready to collapse, and these crooked politicians are trying everything in their crooked political power to close it down and make it disappear. The killlings of thousands of these dogs as reported on CNN is happening daily...I am pleading to all of you. This is a noble cause and the "phony" PETA organization has done nothing to assist, not even help to make it known as you can see when CNN reported it nationally to everyone, they made no comment. I beg of you, this woman and her husband Rafael Cintron are from New York originally and have dedicated their lives to this noble caring cause. EVERY PENNY GOES TO THE DOGS, NOT ONE CENT IS WASTED LIKE ALL OF THE OTHER CHARITABLE ORGANIZATIONS WHO PAY THEIR CEOs MILLIONS.....

Ricki A. DeSantis
9 Elizabeth Lane
New Windsor New York 12553

Send donations to:
Humane Societe for Animals/Canita of the Divine Mercy Sanctuary, Inc.
Send to the attention of:
Carmen Cintron, President
419 Calle Atenea Street
Urbane Jardines de Monteoolivio
Guayama, Puerto Rico 00784.

Chickins?

This is ridiculous....

On a general level, a living animal is a living animal.

But dogs have contributed so much to human history and continue to help mankind.

I guess when they make seeing-eye turkeys, bomb sniffing turkeys, I'll consider them more equal to dogs. However, I will say the turkeys definately deserve better treatment. No question about that.

http://news.aol.com/story/_a/peta-opposes-tribute-to-fried-chicken/20080209173109990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001

PETA Opposes Tribute to Fried Chicken
AP
Posted: 2008-02-10 01:55:51
Filed Under: Business News, Nation News, Weird News
FRANKFORT, Ky. (Feb. 9) - Animals rights advocates are squawking at a measure that would make fried chicken Kentucky's official picnic food.

State Rep. Charles Siler is sponsoring legislation to assign the designation to KFC's "finger lickin' good" chicken, first served by Colonel Harland Sanders in 1940.

The late colonel's fried chicken deserves the title because of the worldwide attention and economic benefit it has brought to the state, Siler said. KFC, a subsidiary of Louisville-based Yum Brands Inc., has 11,000 restaurants in more than 80 countries.

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals bristles at the idea. The animal rights group claims that the chickens KFC serves are abused, even tortured.

"If the state legislature moves forward with this one, then they should change Kentucky's state bird from the cardinal to the debeaked, crippled, scalded, diseased, dead chicken," said Bruce Friedrich, PETA vice president.

PETA has been involved in a long-standing battle with KFC, and even began a push two years ago to have a bust of the bespectacled Colonel Sanders removed from the Kentucky Capitol. Sanders, with his white goatee and black string tie, became recognizable worldwide by marketing his fried chicken.

Stop waterboarding the chickins!!!

some definate improvements are needed.

But comparing a turkey to a dog doesn't seem like an even comparison except at a very general level. A generality that would not be welcomed in many other comparisons.

I find that interesting? Why are they not the same?

I mean, the thing I wonder about, is do dogs realize in some fashion how much horrible their world is in a similar situation as these baby chicks?

Does the dog who is skinned alive say "Ouch that hurts", "this sucks." while the baby turkey suffering a similar treatment say "Hey look at that, that guy has my skin in his hand?"

I mean, is it fair to say based on your thoughts, that a human who contributes little to our world deserves to be treated differently then someone who wins the Nobel Peace Prize?

Is the pain the same?

I'm not saying your wrong... honestly, I'm not really sure what to think. You see, on one hand, I really, really like meat. On the other hand, stuff like this makes me question how we get it.

the turkey chicks should be treated more humanely.

A little late on the thread but... You eat turkeys; you don't eat dogs. Everything done to the turkeys is for the benefit of humans to consume. If you don't like the treatment of these turkeys and you think being a vegeterian gives you absolution than make sure you are first absolved of wearing clothes made anywhere in a 3rd world country. Afterall, if you are going to invest your time arguing over the differences and likenesses of dogs and turkeys, surely you'd be more concerned with the ethical treatment of human beings. Or are they the same as turkeys? Honestly, get over it; they are turkeys, you eat them, watch a football game, and then take a nap.

B8 wrote:A little late on the thread but... You eat turkeys; you don't eat dogs. Everything done to the turkeys is for the benefit of humans to consume. If you don't like the treatment of these turkeys and you think being a vegeterian gives you absolution than make sure you are first absolved of wearing clothes made anywhere in a 3rd world country. Afterall, if you are going to invest your time arguing over the differences and likenesses of dogs and turkeys, surely you'd be more concerned with the ethical treatment of human beings. Or are they the same as turkeys? Honestly, get over it; they are turkeys, you eat them, watch a football game, and then take a nap.

LOL... agreed.

Is this based on the opinion that turkeys are as lucid of the pain in the same way humans are, or less?

Mistreating any animal, whether it is to be eaten or not, demeans the person doing the mistreating, and if we ignore it then it demeans us too.

We get all mushy over the idea of eating Spot or pointing out that a Champion the Wonder Horse steak is at least as good as beef (it is), but this is only because we have established a relationship with these species and feel it's wrong to eat friends. As intelligent animals it behooves us to minimize the suffering of any animal, if only for our own mental well-being. Hiding it inside a factory so that we can ignore it is one strategy but ultimately that's not a good solution.

Personally I buy free range turkeys wherever possible, not just because of ethical concerns but because Happy Animals Taste Better!

I just don't get it though.

Pain is a stimulus response, which I assume all animals have who have a nervous system. Assuming other creatures other then humans use their legs for walking, their eyes for seeing, and so forth, isn't it safe to assume, their brains interpret pain in the same manner humans do?

If so, and that video was about humans? It would be on the same level of a horror movie.

Isn't there was of producing poultry without the "death machine" that scalps the poor little thing first?

Liv wrote:I just don't get it though.

Pain is a stimulus response, which I assume all animals have who have a nervous system. Assuming other creatures other then humans use their legs for walking, their eyes for seeing, and so forth, isn't it safe to assume, their brains interpret pain in the same manner humans do?

If so, and that video was about humans? It would be on the same level of a horror movie.

Isn't there was of producing poultry without the "death machine" that scalps the poor little thing first?

Just think about what you just said when you go to eat one of your chili burgers or go to JIB.

Oh I know...

I love food.... But that video is quite a wakeup call.

I think if you are aware of it, you are better off then alot of people.

So many, have no idea that's how the food is made.

Out of sight out of mind.

So many disconcerting points regarding this subject. On one hand, it has been posited that eating meat gave our precursor species the added protein that drove our brains' expansion way beyond that of other primates. On the other hand, that larger brain has the capacity to choose whether or not to be meat eaters. On the gripping hand, we set ourselves up as gods of the Earth and make the rules. Our rules say that we can eat whomever we choose, excepting a few taboos.

I wanted to tell B8 and BHL how callous they were to just gloss over this subject, yet, Liv, I'm sure the rest of us will fall back to eating meat and not thinking about it. I'm sure I will, but I'd still like to sort this out in my own mind. There is such a disconnect in there about this. You bring up many good questions, many that I've also thought of but of course eventually ignore until...

Nfidel wrote:So many disconcerting points regarding this subject. On one hand, it has been posited that eating meat gave our precursor species the added protein that drove our brains' expansion way beyond that of other primates. On the other hand, that larger brain has the capacity to choose whether or not to be meat eaters. On the gripping hand, we set ourselves up as gods of the Earth and make the rules. Our rules say that we can eat whomever we choose, excepting a few taboos.

I wanted to tell B8 and BHL how callous they were to just gloss over this subject, yet, Liv, I'm sure the rest of us will fall back to eating meat and not thinking about it. I'm sure I will, but I'd still like to sort this out in my own mind. There is such a disconnect in there about this. You bring up many good questions, many that I've also thought of but of course eventually ignore until...

I'm callous because I enjoy eating meat? Yopu must be one of those green tree-huggers...

We've been allowed to eat meat since the flood. What do you think happened to the dinosaurs? Yummy!

What do you think happened to the dinosaurs? Yummy!

Smithfield's Dinosaur Plant?

1 Timothy 4 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)

1 Timothy 4
1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

6 If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.

7 But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.

Liv wrote:

What do you think happened to the dinosaurs? Yummy!

Smithfield's Dinosaur Plant?

Dino BBQ. Good stuff!

They should bring back the dinosaurs so we can raise them instead of cattle...

Liv wrote:They should bring back the dinosaurs so we can raise them instead of cattle...

They never went away - they evolved into turkeys.

A Person wrote:

Liv wrote:They should bring back the dinosaurs so we can raise them instead of cattle...

They never went away - they evolved into turkeys.

I could but I won't say it....

Oh there's irony... A huge ugly, mean T-rex that eats boulders and (expletive) stonehenge, evolves into a little furry bird who then subsequently gets squished by man's mechanical dinner machine.