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Posted: **September 8th, 2008, 11:29 am**

http://www.djaevlebryg.dk/produktereng.php#Gudeloes

Atiestikselskab

Type: Imperial stout

Data: 8.9% alc/vol, OG app. 1.090, IBU app. 65

What? Bryggeriet Djævlebryg and the Danish Atheist Society have entered into an unholy alliance and the result is "Godless": This first batch is a somehow accessible imperial stout with its 8.9% abv. It offers burnt notes from the malt mingled with sweet nuances and a warming depth from the alcohol. This brew is primarily aimed at members of the Atheist Society, but it will also be available in selected shops and bars. In these times, when companies are expected to show social responsibility, we in the brewery have decided to follow suit: For each bottle or draft sold we donate 1 danish crown to the Danish Atheist Society.

Those Danes! God must surely punish them

Let's see, the economy is sound, positive balance of trade, recently lowered income tax and corporate tax. Pretty healthy lot too. Do quite well in education. Free health care (including abortions). Homicides 1/8th of the US rate.

Yup God is really sticking it to them. Could do with some of that punishment.

Posted: **September 8th, 2008, 11:36 am**

Yet... they have a state religion. Sense the irony here?

Posted: **September 8th, 2008, 11:55 am**

Dane's believe in:
"A personal God" - 21%
"A spiritual force" - 31%
"I don't know what to believe" - 19%
"I don't believe there is a God" - 23%
"What?" - 6%
"Get me another beer" - 98%

And 85% are members of the Evangelical Lutheran Church

You'd think it would give US theocrats cause to think, if you institute a state religion (headed by St. Sarah) then maybe you'll end up like the UK, Denmark or Japan*.

*Wealthy, healthy, educated and free.

Posted: **September 8th, 2008, 11:57 am**

Makes you wonder, exactly what event in Europe caused such a dramatic decline of religious belief, and what would it take in America to do the same?

Was it was with Germany?

Posted: **September 8th, 2008, 11:58 am**

A Person wrote:You'd think it would give US theocrats cause to think, if you institute a state religion (headed by St. Sarah) then maybe you'll end up like the UK, Denmark or Japan*.

*Wealthy, healthy, educated and free.

Depends on the type of state religion you're talking about. Most US theocrats want to bring back the Pilgrim model -- because it was SO successful, long-term. :twisted:

Posted: **September 8th, 2008, 12:03 pm**

Liv wrote:Makes you wonder, exactly what event in Europe caused such a dramatic decline of religious belief, and what would it take in America to do the same?

Was it war(?) with Germany?

I think the fact that the World Wars BOTH happened on their soil made them do a lot of re-thinking when it came to the relationship between church and state, and between church and people. In most cases, people realized that church has few answers for the real world, other than as a social hub... and that is what it has become for nearly all of them. A social hub that spouts religion-based advice that no one takes seriously on a factual level. Which appears to work very well for them, and may do so one day for us.

Once we screw our lives up as badly as they did and have some time to think about how we screwed up.

Posted: **September 8th, 2008, 12:05 pm**

Why didn't it happen in the 30's during the the dustbowl and the depression?

Posted: **September 8th, 2008, 12:06 pm**

SouthernFriedInfidel wrote:
A Person wrote:You'd think it would give US theocrats cause to think, if you institute a state religion (headed by St. Sarah) then maybe you'll end up like the UK, Denmark or Japan*.

*Wealthy, healthy, educated and free.

Depends on the type of state religion you're talking about. Most US theocrats want to bring back the Pilgrim model -- because it was SO successful, long-term.

would you care to point out these "theocrats" you speak of?

Posted: **September 8th, 2008, 12:45 pm**

Any of the dominionists or Christian reconstructionists you care to name. Huckabee will deny he's a dominionist but he sounds very much like one. Palin likely wouldn't know what the word means.

Posted: **September 9th, 2008, 8:55 am**

Liv wrote:Why didn't it happen in the 30's during the the dustbowl and the depression?

Neither the dustbowl nor the Great Depression resulted in the grand scale of infrastructure or wholesale death that Europe experienced. They were tough times, but the religion resurgence that came out of the Scopes Trial and other events was more than a match for those relatively minor disasters.

Posted: **September 10th, 2008, 1:38 pm**

So we need to kill tons of Christians in order to de-religion America?

Sounds like a zombie movie.

Posted: **September 10th, 2008, 2:10 pm**

No you just have to let the populace live under a theocracy for a while. The effects last generations if you are able to get out from under.

The religious intolerance between sects was the reason for the Constitution to be written the way is was. The secular nature was well supported by religious leaders at the time.

Posted: **September 10th, 2008, 3:43 pm**

A Person wrote:No you just have to let the populace live under a theocracy for a while. The effects last generations if you are able to get out from under.

The religious intolerance between sects was the reason for the Constitution to be written the way is was. The secular nature was well supported by religious leaders at the time.

Too bad the lesson never stuck. It might have, had public education been a priority back then, but I suppose survival as a fledgling nation provided other imperatives.

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