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by A Person Published on January 25th, 2009, 11:02 am Rift: News

This misinformation, also called "The Central Dogma" in medical school (hope you understand this, A Person) is the unsupported claim that consciousness is an effect of genes. It is called "The Central Dogma" because there is absolutely no evidence to support it but it is, nonetheless, absolutely forbidden to question it.

I haven't been to medical school so I'll defer to Questioner as to what is taught there.

But it is an unusual term for science to use and there is only one well known proposition, that I am aware of, called The Central Dogma of Molecular Biology. This says that DNA makes RNA makes proteins. Far from being absolutely forbidden to question it, it is frequently challenged - announcements of the 'death' of The Central Dogma is a regular thing.

There is nothing in science that is absolutely forbidden to question. However if you challenge well established and accepted science with wild speculation and no evidence - especially if you use theology and scripture to support your case, you will be politely escorted out of the room (and maybe your teaching position if you persist and don't have tenure).

[Karma Singh]

This misinformation, also called "The Central Dogma" in medical school (hope you understand this, A Person) is the unsupported claim that consciousness is an effect of genes. It is called "The Central Dogma" because there is absolutely no evidence to support it but it is, nonetheless, absolutely forbidden to question it.

I haven't been to medical school so I'll defer to Questioner as to what is taught there.

But it is an unusual term for science to use and there is only one well known proposition, that I am aware of, called The Central Dogma of Molecular Biology. This says that DNA makes RNA makes proteins. Far from being absolutely forbidden to question it, it is frequently challenged - announcements of the 'death' of The Central Dogma is a regular thing.

There is nothing in science that is absolutely forbidden to question. However if you challenge well established and accepted science with wild speculation and no evidence - especially if you use theology and scripture to support your case, you will be politely escorted out of the room (and maybe your teaching position if you persist and don't have tenure).

Hey A Person,
I thought you'd grasped "dogma" yesterday. Dogma means a required belief which it is forbidden to question.

The Central Dogma (complete, not just your extract) is DNA - RNA - protein - consciousness. That is the dogma; that consciousness is the result of protein, i.e. the physical body is the be all and end all of life. If you say anything other than this, you will fail your exams!

Professor Lipton had tenure both at Winsconsin and at Stanford Universities schools of medicine. He now travels the world teaching.

Blessed be

Karma Singh

[A Person]

For someone who babbles mystically without saying much, treats definitions with gay abandon and signs off "Blessed be" you're pretty crackin rude.

It may be referred to as the "Central Dogma" but clearly it isn't actual dogma as it has been, and continues to be, challenged and refined as new evidence comes to light e.g. epigenetics - as you will see if you actually read the link I posted. It's an unfortunate name that's all.

Science isn't a church, there is no dogma, anything can be challenged with evidence and sound argument. This being a prime example.

That is the dogma; that consciousness is the result of protein, i.e. the physical body is the be all and end all of life. If you say anything other than this, you will fail your exams!

Likely because you would not be answering the question asked.

The Central Dogma (complete, not just your extract) is DNA - RNA - protein - consciousness

You do like redefining things to mean what you want them to mean, dontcha?

Crick coined the phrase in a paper presented 1958:

The central dogma of molecular biology deals with the detailed residue-by-residue transfer of sequential information. It states that information cannot be transferred back from protein to either protein or nucleic acid.

So it is YOU who are changing the meaning by EXTENDING the definition, not ME providing an incomplete definition.

He used religious terminology 'doctrine' and 'dogma' which is unfortunate. In the 50 years since he presented the paper science has moved on because nothing in science is a required belief which it is forbidden to question.

The work of Professor Lipton (amongst others) has proven incontrovertibly that it is consciousness which causes DNA!

Please provide a link to where Lipton has said that. What Lipton says is that the mind (conscious and sub-conscious) can affect the body, hence the effectiveness of placebos. This is limited, a placebo will not regrow a limb, belief in Jesus will not help you survive a venomous snake bite, although it would be cool if it could.

That the mind can control the body's chemistry in not in dispute. Just drop a snake on someone's lap and watch the effects of adrenaline.

Epigenetics is how body chemistry affects the way genes (DNA) are expressed - it does not change the DNA.

[Questioner]

Well, let me put it this way: You're both wrong. Not your fault (unless you continue it after reading what follows here) because this deliberate misinformation has been drummed into all of us both at school and in the churches etc.

This misinformation, also called "The Central Dogma" in medical school (hope you understand this, A Person) is the unsupported claim that consciousness is an effect of genes. It is called "The Central Dogma" because there is absolutely no evidence to support it but it is, nonetheless, absolutely forbidden to question it.

The work of Professor Lipton (amongst others) has proven incontrovertibly that it is consciousness which causes DNA!

It is, therefore, impossible to contend that the state of humanity could be dependent upon some "chance birth" for it is consciousness, "the soul", i.e. you, yourself, which makes the decision whether to incarnate or not. Consciousness is immortal and will manifest form (a body) according to the agreed place in our (i.e. mankind's) plan of self-realisation.

If you're interested, you can get Professor Bruce Lipton's DVD "Mind over Genes" from this website: http://www.avianflureality.com

Blessed be

I certainly respect your right to have your beliefs and I thank you for sharing them. Your perspective is, of course, quite different than mine, yours being based upon eastern mysticism and mine being based on western empiricism. However, I hope you are not citing these professors as scientific evidence that your philosophy is correct and mine incorrect. Science can only examine relationships in the empirical world. That is what it was designed to do, and it does it very well. It cannot be validly applied to metaphysical or philosophical questions. It certainly cannot deal with what constitutes fact and what constitutes fiction when the issues are related to human values or beliefs about their mythologies. People value what they value based upon multiple factors. Science cannot answer questions related to whether or not there is a God, or what beliefs people should have about the afterlife or which God to worship, or any things of that nature.

The fact is that genetics can and do program some types of behavior. It is fairly clear that the healthy human infant's suck impulse is not taught or learned as we typically think of those words. It is also fairly clear that other species are born with certain types of knowledge and behavior, that appear to come from their genes. Insects seem particularly programmed.

However, I simply do not share your belief in the idea that people have total control over what happens to them because they decide to be or to not be in a place where external forces kill them. I hope you understand that your belief in something does not make it factual. BHL and thesumofyourfears do not understand that. For this reason, they continually represent their beliefs as fact. Their error is, of course, pretty natural human behavior. It is only recently have some humans (scientists typically) come to realize that there is a large difference between facts and the things they were taught to believe. You may not view that difference as valid or important, but I hope you can respect that many of us do.

[A Person]

Your perspective is, of course, quite different than mine, yours being based upon eastern mysticism

Don't be fooled by the name. Karma is from Yorkshire and adopts the pseudo-eastern mysticism and hand waving references to quantum effects in order to exploit the gullible by selling magic-woo. The Hindu/Sikh name sounds better than Joe Higgenbotham

If it were just a way of parting fools and their money I wouldn't object too much, that's what fools are for. But Karma is also suggesting that his magic plastic sticker will cure

Arthritis
Alzheimer's (senile dementia)
Arteriosclerosis
Asthma
Back pain
Cancer
Constipation (emotional)
Depression
Fibromyalgia
Gout
Hepatitis
Hyperactive (children)
Hypertension
Impotence and Frgidity
Infertility
Insomnia
Migraine
Multiple Sclerosis
Narcolepsy
Osteoporosis
Parkinson's
Rheumatism
Sciatica
Stroke

Apparently if you stick it to your car it will also improve gas mileage, tire wear, brake pad wear, oil life etc. because the tires can talk to each other and remember how they are supposed to work.

So he's a dangerous snake-oil quack, trying to make a fast buck and potentially preventing people from seeking real care for serious medical problems.

That's despicable.

[Karma Singh]

For someone who babbles mystically without saying much, treats definitions with gay abandon and signs off "Blessed be" you're pretty (expletive) rude.

It may be referred to as the "Central Dogma" but clearly it isn't actual dogma as it has been, and continues to be, challenged and refined as new evidence comes to light e.g. epigenetics - as you will see if you actually read the link I posted. It's an unfortunate name that's all.

Science isn't a church, there is no dogma, anything can be challenged with evidence and sound argument. This being a prime example.

That is the dogma; that consciousness is the result of protein, i.e. the physical body is the be all and end all of life. If you say anything other than this, you will fail your exams!

Likely because you would not be answering the question asked.

The Central Dogma (complete, not just your extract) is DNA - RNA - protein - consciousness

You do like redefining things to mean what you want them to mean, dontcha?

Crick coined the phrase in a paper presented 1958:

The central dogma of molecular biology deals with the detailed residue-by-residue transfer of sequential information. It states that information cannot be transferred back from protein to either protein or nucleic acid.

So it is YOU who are changing the meaning by EXTENDING the definition, not ME providing an incomplete definition.

He used religious terminology 'doctrine' and 'dogma' which is unfortunate. In the 50 years since he presented the paper science has moved on because nothing in science is a required belief which it is forbidden to question.

The work of Professor Lipton (amongst others) has proven incontrovertibly that it is consciousness which causes DNA!

Please provide a link to where Lipton has said that. What Lipton says is that the mind (conscious and sub-conscious) can affect the body, hence the effectiveness of placebos. This is limited, a placebo will not regrow a limb, belief in Jesus will not help you survive a venomous snake bite, although it would be cool if it could.

That the mind can control the body's chemistry in not in dispute. Just drop a snake on someone's lap and watch the effects of adrenaline.

Epigenetics is how body chemistry affects the way genes (DNA) are expressed - it does not change the DNA.

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear,
how can someone, on the one hand, be so intelligent and yet, on the other, be so completely wide of the mark?

1) The word dogma pre-dates the church.
2) The word means, literally, a required (imposed) belief.
3) Disbelieving the required belief is to be punished. This varies from stoning to being burned at the stake to being failed in your medical exam to having your medical licence revoked to having a truck driven into your clinic etc., etc., etc.

Questioning authority is a heretical activity; vis: "Some scientists remain so incapable of accepting a new paradigm that it has been ruefully asserted that the progress of science is measured by funerals". Physicist Dr. Jude Currivan. This reflex rejection of anything new is by no means exclusive to scientists; in fact, scientists are slightly better than the general population at accepting new concepts.

Your "redefining" is really the pot calling the kettle black, now isn't it? I just added the consciousness back in which you had "misplaced".

The Central Dogma states rather more than that but the main point here and its relevance to this forum is that it places consciousness below DNA and terminates life with the termination of the physical body. Not so! say most spiritual teachings, Professor Lipton and a growing number of others. Consciousness CAUSES DNA and is independent of it!!! Life is never terminated for you are immortal. You do not cease to exist between bodies!

From Prof Lipton apart from the link which I have already given for his DVD "Mind over Genes", if you purchase "Biology of Belief", you will find on pages 16 - 26, 60 - 61, 63 & 65 more than you, at present, wish to know.

Just as a side note, there is one religious sect somewhere in the Southern USA which worships with snakes. Members are frequently bitten but never get ill: How's that for consciousness determining the state of the physical body? (No, the poison glands and fangs have NOT been removed!) Not quite my cup of tea but an interesting example of what consciousness can achieve.

Blessed be

Karma Singh

[Karma Singh]

Well, let me put it this way: You're both wrong. Not your fault (unless you continue it after reading what follows here) because this deliberate misinformation has been drummed into all of us both at school and in the churches etc.

This misinformation, also called "The Central Dogma" in medical school (hope you understand this, A Person) is the unsupported claim that consciousness is an effect of genes. It is called "The Central Dogma" because there is absolutely no evidence to support it but it is, nonetheless, absolutely forbidden to question it.

The work of Professor Lipton (amongst others) has proven incontrovertibly that it is consciousness which causes DNA!

It is, therefore, impossible to contend that the state of humanity could be dependent upon some "chance birth" for it is consciousness, "the soul", i.e. you, yourself, which makes the decision whether to incarnate or not. Consciousness is immortal and will manifest form (a body) according to the agreed place in our (i.e. mankind's) plan of self-realisation.

If you're interested, you can get Professor Bruce Lipton's DVD "Mind over Genes" from this website: http://www.avianflureality.com

Blessed be

I certainly respect your right to have your beliefs and I thank you for sharing them. Your perspective is, of course, quite different than mine, yours being based upon eastern mysticism and mine being based on western empiricism. However, I hope you are not citing these professors as scientific evidence that your philosophy is correct and mine incorrect. Science can only examine relationships in the empirical world. That is what it was designed to do, and it does it very well. It cannot be validly applied to metaphysical or philosophical questions. It certainly cannot deal with what constitutes fact and what constitutes fiction when the issues are related to human values or beliefs about their mythologies. People value what they value based upon multiple factors. Science cannot answer questions related to whether or not there is a God, or what beliefs people should have about the afterlife or which God to worship, or any things of that nature.

The fact is that genetics can and do program some types of behavior. It is fairly clear that the healthy human infant's suck impulse is not taught or learned as we typically think of those words. It is also fairly clear that other species are born with certain types of knowledge and behavior, that appear to come from their genes. Insects seem particularly programmed.

However, I simply do not share your belief in the idea that people have total control over what happens to them because they decide to be or to not be in a place where external forces kill them. I hope you understand that your belief in something does not make it factual. BHL and thesumofyourfears do not understand that. For this reason, they continually represent their beliefs as fact. Their error is, of course, pretty natural human behavior. It is only recently have some humans (scientists typically) come to realize that there is a large difference between facts and the things they were taught to believe. You may not view that difference as valid or important, but I hope you can respect that many of us do.

Hi Questioner,
I do think that you are being slightly mislead by my name. Singh is a very common name in England. How so? Well, India was, for 240 years, a part of Britain and many names have been exchanged. Singh, as with "Knight", "Chevalier", "Ritter" and many others was originally a title of honour which, through the centuries, has become a family name.

Whilst I have studied the Vedas and other Eastern teachings, most of my education and study, including university, has been in Europe and N. America. The whole of my professional career as a healer has been in Europe (with occasional trips to the USA & Canada).

As Professor Lipton has so clearly and incontrovertibly shown, genes can never, under any circumstances, influence behaviour. That some behaviour "appears" to come from the genes is mere wishful thinking as a last ditch attempt to deny spiritual truths; it has no meaning. Suckling, it has been shown by hypnotic regression, is something taught by the mother to her child(ren) before birth.

To your last paragraph, I can only comment, those who accept and use this as the basis for their lives, discover that it works without exception. This seems to me pretty conclusive evidence, especially when there is zero evidence available supporting the opposing view.

Blessed be

Karma Singh

[Karma Singh]

Your perspective is, of course, quite different than mine, yours being based upon eastern mysticism

Don't be fooled by the name. Karma is from Yorkshire .

Do you really need to sink so low, A Person? Is winning an argument so important to you that you will stoop to quoting malicious libel from a website specialising in such?

The owner of that website whose name, incidentally, is the german word for "The Evil One" despite his claims to the contrary, relies upon the fact that he is in California and I in Europe to grant him immunity from legal action for libel. This may change.

Incidentally, Higginbotham is a Lancashire name not a Yorkshire one.

Sorrowfully,

Karma

[always questioning]

Easy answer. The doctors that perform these heinous acts should go to jail for murder in the 1st degree. Fry a few of these doctors and you'll see the abortion rates go down a good bit.

Just hang on in there a cotton picking minute if you don't mind.

Isn't it time to look at what you're actually talking about instead of making wild accusations based upon nothing other than the judgements which you have been taught? Do you think that, maybe, adding in a few obvious (and some not so obvious) facts could be of help in resolving this controversy?

The first completely self-contradictory assumption is that God is incapable of perpetuating her own will. Life IS eternal. Either God is omnipotent or does not exist. You are, therefore, saying that abortion is a crime against a non-existent god! The actual falsity is the indoctrinated belief that you are your body; that's the real crime! The truth is that YOU ARE ETERNAL. You just change bodies every now and then.

The point at which you (and everyone else) choose to leave your body is your decision and yours alone. Sometimes you do this after seventy or eighty years. Sometimes you do this even before your birth. Sometimes you just let the body waste away and sometimes you ask someone else to help you gain a particular experience, being shot, for example. Whichever way you choose, it is always your choice. If someone helps you, it is absolutely because YOU asked them to. No-one has the power to affect your choices. They are 100% your responsibility and the expression of your immutable will.

Sometimes, the experience which you need for your growth and self-understanding involves the process of conception and termination before birth. Whether this occurs by "natural" miscarriage or with the help of a fourth person is your choice and yours alone. No-one has either the right or the power to deny you this choice.

Sometimes, a soul will choose the experience of being "forced" to be born although "unwanted". This brings a lot of unhappy people into my practise and those of most psychotherapists.

Think and ponder ALL the facts my dears. Only thus can you tread the road of peace and happiness.

Blessed be

Karma Singh

i understand that, for the most part, free will, intuituion, logic, karma and good versus evil are a reality in every day life. i don't understand some of your theory, though, that a person chooses their way or time of death. did all those people in the twin towers choose to die that day, or was that karma, or chaos or just plain evil lurking in the shadows? also, i don't believe in abortion, but i also don't believe that a fetus, embryo, baby or whatever your definition, chose to born out of a violent rape or being mentally or physically incapable of a "natural" life just to plant their feet back on good ol' earth. why would a life so harsh be chosen when it's tough enough out there as it is? i am a more spiritual person than religous. i believe a lot of different, and less understood things, than a "normal" person. we may come back in different bodies from time to time, for lessons not learned or whatever, but i can't possibly see how i have already chosen how and when i am going to die when i have every reason to want to live.

[always questioning]

by that theory than abortion isn't murder, or a crime or a "bad thing". the soul of the baby to be not only, by this idea, chose to be concieved but chose to be concieved of a mother that was then going to abort it since that is how "it chose" and "when it chose" to die. then by that theory it's what? fulfilling a request?

[A Person]

Your perspective is, of course, quite different than mine, yours being based upon eastern mysticism

Don't be fooled by the name. Karma is from Yorkshire .

Do you really need to sink so low, A Person? Is winning an argument so important to you that you will stoop to quoting malicious libel from a website specialising in such?

The owner of that website whose name, incidentally, is the german word for "The Evil One" despite his claims to the contrary, relies upon the fact that he is in California and I in Europe to grant him immunity from legal action for libel. This may change.

Incidentally, Higginbotham is a Lancashire name not a Yorkshire one.

Sorrowfully,

Karma

I went to your websites first, quoted from it and linked to it. Since you sell your trash in the US you could choose to bring a case there. You have not brought any lawsuits because you know you would be laughed out of court - after having costs awarded against you.

I'm not concerned any more with 'winning' any argument with you. I thought at first you were a harmless mystic and that I might learn something of Sikhism, but you are simply a dishonest, fraudulent quack, peddling lucky charms and telling people they can cure them. That is despicable and there is no point in discussing anything with you.

Oh and you're wrong about snake bites too:
http://www.sullivan-county.com/nf0/ep/snake_bite.htm
http://cbs4denver.com/payit4ward/snake. ... 60457.html
http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=66349

Ignorant superstition kills and that is what you feed on.

[milmat]

Then should it not be illegal to put people in jail for murder, After all your forcing your opinion of right and wrong on them!
It is not a choice, it's a life !

If abortion is legal, then it should be legal up to say 3yrs old. So you can be Sure you want the Child. If not you can just knock it in the head with a hammer!!

SAME LOGIC !!

[Jay]

What people decide to do with their bodies and lives is their bussiness. Who are we to tell someone what they can and can't do. Let God be the final judge of what happens to them. I don't think that giving babies up for adoption is always good either. What about the many children who go unadopted. What about the many children abused in foster homes. Take that into consideration too. You speak about adoption like it's all smiles.

[Karma Singh]

I went to your websites first, quoted from it and linked to it. Since you sell your trash in the US you could choose to bring a case there. You have not brought any lawsuits because you know you would be laughed out of court - after having costs awarded against you.

I'm not concerned any more with 'winning' any argument with you. I thought at first you were a harmless mystic and that I might learn something of Sikhism, but you are simply a dishonest, fraudulent quack, peddling lucky charms and telling people they can cure them. That is despicable and there is no point in discussing anything with you.

All I can say, A Person, is that you have not troubled to look into what is involved in a british company suing an american company under Californian law. As previously, you have not the vaguest idea what you're talking about. The costs are enormous, the time taken would be measured in years and this is what he relies upon.

Just like you, he knows absolutely nothing about the Harmony Technology other than that is is very different to everything else that has ever existed upon this planet. That it works and has already brought relief to thousands of people left in the lurch by pharmaceutical medicine is, somehow, a source of great frústration and anger to him. He has taken it upon himself to attempt to deny this benefit to as many as possible. It is, of course, to be expected that "the evil one", Mr. Boese, would want people to suffer. That you are taken in by his obscene rantings is a source of considerable disappointment; I had held you for more intelligent than that.

Ah well, we'll just keep going.

Blessed be (anyway)

Karma Singh

[Karma Singh]

i understand that, for the most part, free will, intuituion, logic, karma and good versus evil are a reality in every day life. i don't understand some of your theory, though, that a person chooses their way or time of death. did all those people in the twin towers choose to die that day, or was that karma, or chaos or just plain evil lurking in the shadows? also, i don't believe in abortion, but i also don't believe that a fetus, embryo, baby or whatever your definition, chose to born out of a violent rape or being mentally or physically incapable of a "natural" life just to plant their feet back on good ol' earth. why would a life so harsh be chosen when it's tough enough out there as it is? i am a more spiritual person than religous. i believe a lot of different, and less understood things, than a "normal" person. we may come back in different bodies from time to time, for lessons not learned or whatever, but i can't possibly see how i have already chosen how and when i am going to die when i have every reason to want to live.

Hi Always,
I quite understand. It does take some getting used to and, at first, I didn't want to accept the full ramifications either; I wanted some things to "just happen" so that I'm only partially responsible for what happens in my life. Unfortunately, it doesn't work!

When we add into this all that has been learned and published in quantum physics and especially Quantum Field Theory during the last few years, it becomes incontrovertible that each of us has a choice:

Either take full conscious control over your life and be and have everything you want or,
Continue living half-heartedly blaming "the world, coincidence, God, etc." for the bits you don't like and be continually frustrated.

Perfect free choice in EVERYTHING is that which God has given to each of us, i.e. it's all ours to do with as we will! NO bits are left out.

Blessed be

Karma Singh

[Questioner]

[quote="Karma Singh]
Hi Questioner,
I do think that you are being slightly mislead by my name. Singh is a very common name in England. How so? Well, India was, for 240 years, a part of Britain and many names have been exchanged. Singh, as with "Knight", "Chevalier", "Ritter" and many others was originally a title of honour which, through the centuries, has become a family name.

Whilst I have studied the Vedas and other Eastern teachings, most of my education and study, including university, has been in Europe and N. America. The whole of my professional career as a healer has been in Europe (with occasional trips to the USA & Canada).

As Professor Lipton has so clearly and incontrovertibly shown, genes can never, under any circumstances, influence behaviour. That some behaviour "appears" to come from the genes is mere wishful thinking as a last ditch attempt to deny spiritual truths; it has no meaning. Suckling, it has been shown by hypnotic regression, is something taught by the mother to her child(ren) before birth.

To your last paragraph, I can only comment, those who accept and use this as the basis for their lives, discover that it works without exception. This seems to me pretty conclusive evidence, especially when there is zero evidence available supporting the opposing view.
Blessed be
Karma Singh
[/quote]

Say what? I made no assumption about your ethnicity. I only said the beliefs you had expressed on this site were obviously eastern based while mine are western based. It is best not to make assumptions about what other people think. I never thought you were from an eastern country such as India or Pakistan. Your linguistics are clearly western.

Frankly, after looking at the site "A Person" provided showing what you are hawking as a cure for a large number of human ailments, I'm more than a bit disgusted. Some of those illnesses (such as asthma, cancer, depression, hepatitis, for just a few) are extremely dangerous and highly lethal. If you are selling your snake oil and encouraging people go eschew their medications, you are leading them to their deaths. That is murder in my book, and if you have a single drop of decency in your body, you will encourage your customers to stick with their regular medical treatment and add your products to their regimen as additional aids. If you are actually telling them to cease their medications, you are a murderer in my book.

[Karma Singh]

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Hi Questioner,
The information which I have given is, at least, 90% Western in origin; I, therefore, assumed that it is my name which had brought you to your false conclusion. Taking your own advice about "conclusions" may be a good idea!

Similarly, your assumption about the Harmony Technology contains the same error; you have made no attempt to verify the veracity of the statements upon the website. The simple truth is that it works: That's the sole reason why so many thousands of people use it and steadily more doctors, chiropracters and other health professionals recommend it to patients. It's also the reason why all independent scientific studies carried out upon the Harmony devices show them to be even more beneficial than we report upon the website. It's also the reason why a growing number of companies are installing them in their premises. It's also the reason why almost all who try it and use it are delighted with the results. All you need to do, Questioner, is to let go of your prejudices and look at something new in a calm acceptance that you've never seen anything like it (there IS nothing like it) and you, therefore, do not know what it is.

You might like to know that it took eight years for the development team to make the first prototype (which celebrates its 20th birthday in September) and, since I joined the team in 2001, research and development in the field of healing has continued apace.

You may also wish to note that the list of common ailments and their solution is based not upon hopeful claims but entirely upon experiences reported to us by many, many users over the years.

Summary: Please take my advice and study before you open you mouth.

One of our customers wrote something very nice to me a couple of weeks ago. It's actually a quote from Ghandi which he found appropriate to me and my work: "First they laught at you, then they attack you, then you win". It seems from your comments that we're already well into the second phase. Thank you.

Blessed be.

Karma Singh

[A Person]

It's also the reason why all independent scientific studies carried out upon the Harmony devices show them to be even more beneficial

'All'? There are no references to any on your site. How many studies have been done, by whom and and references to the results please. Anonymous testimonials and vague references to 'scientific tests' are the staple of frauds everywhere.

On your site on cancer you say

Cancer is a completely natural and harmless phenomenon; it is your body's way of temporarily dealing with a much greater problem. Remove the real problem and the cancer will no longer be required and will naturally disappear.
...
and yet,
Cancer is a very easy thing to heal
but
Cancer is a very difficult thing to cure.
There is a difference.
Cancer, you see, is a totally natural phenomenon. There is nothing here to fear but there is a need to take constructive action. This, for the most part, does not include medical treatment. Medicine is not an appropriate technique for dealing with cancer. This should be obvious from its very poor performance. There are, however, many well established techniques which have success rates of up to 90% and more.

You imply a success rate of 90% and yet IF you have had it tested you coyly refrain from posting references

A real, live example: I have a suspicion that a device which is actually manufactured for a completely different purpose, could offer some hope with terminal, late stage cancer. I have a contact who works in a cancer research institute in New York and asked him how it might be possible to test this. Some time later, I received the reply from the medical director of the institute to the effect that, if I pay $50,000.00 up front, they would consider testing it on one patient, i.e. $50,000.00 per test patient! When I asked why, I was told that this is the amount of money that he would lose if a patient got well instead of dying. The device (still untested with cancer) costs ₤297.00 / US$497.00 retail!

This is the evil part of your pitch. People with cancer are understandably frightened and prepared to do anything to 'make it go away' . $500 isn't that much (although about $499 more than the untested 'chip' is worth) and so you get your money, feeding on scared and vulnerable people. If one of those people are believes you and is discouraged from seeking medical attention then, as Questioner says, murder is an appropriate description

I'm sure your magic product would qualify for the JREF million dollar prize and a double blind test by an independent and reputable scientific group would satisfy the protocol requirement. But I'm sure you have the same answer all quacks,scam artistes and purveyors of magical spells do: "JREF does not have the money*. JREF will cheat, the test will be fixed**. Or Sylvia Browne's excuse 'The money is tainted with evil because Randi has cursed it'***".

*yes they do. The test will be done with the media present and a default would give you immense publicity - even without the money - which of course you don't really want.
**JREF does not perform the test, the protocol is agreed to up front
*** If you Harmony chip does what you claim, I'm sure it could align the Quantum scalar waves to eliminate electronic smog and render the money harmonious and in full communication with your bank.

How does it work?

I’ve been asked to explain how, exactly, does this all work.
The honest answer is that we don’t know, not exactly, not yet anyway.
As with so much about the Harmony Technology, we observe what happens, we see that almost everyone using the technology in the same way for the same objective gets the same benefit but, in many cases, we can only speculate as to what the exact mechanism is which brings this about. So is it here with the Harmony Phone Chips in the shoes.

[Questioner]

Perhaps I'll send his little site into the State Attorney General. I suspect making false medical claims is as illegal in his state as it is in mine. If he is hawking his little "device" as a medical device, I believe he should also provide his evidence that he has had it legally tested by the FDA, which regulates all medical devices.

[A Person]

His 'State' is Delusion, right next to Fantasy Island.

His company is located in 127 St. Paul's Close, Ealing, London, W5 3JY UK.

I followed up one of his testimonials, Claire Muzal. She tried the product for several weeks - including a meeting in Germany with the technical 'inventor' Joachim Wagner - before going to an orthopedic surgeon and a neurologist.

Karma accused her of not using the product properly. Of course. Failures never count.

[Karma Singh]

It's also the reason why all independent scientific studies carried out upon the Harmony devices show them to be even more beneficial

'All'? There are no references to any on your site. How many studies have been done, by whom and and references to the results please. Anonymous testimonials and vague references to 'scientific tests' are the staple of frauds everywhere.

If you actually READ the site, you will find them. They're not hidden.

[Karma Singh]

On your site on cancer you say

Cancer is a completely natural and harmless phenomenon; it is your body's way of temporarily dealing with a much greater problem. Remove the real problem and the cancer will no longer be required and will naturally disappear.
...
and yet,
Cancer is a very easy thing to heal
but
Cancer is a very difficult thing to cure.
There is a difference.
Cancer, you see, is a totally natural phenomenon. There is nothing here to fear but there is a need to take constructive action. This, for the most part, does not include medical treatment. Medicine is not an appropriate technique for dealing with cancer. This should be obvious from its very poor performance. There are, however, many well established techniques which have success rates of up to 90% and more.

You imply a success rate of 90% and yet IF you have had it tested you coyly refrain from posting references

Again, A Person, you must learn to pay attention to what you are looking at and to read what is actually there. Techniques which have a vastly higher success rate with cancer than allopathic medicine include macrobiotics, rebirthing, ayurvedics, Chi Quong, Tradional Chinese Medicine. Had you read the book, you would have found all of these in it (plus a few more) as well as links to the professional bodies for such practitioners in many parts of the world. From many, many years experience in my own practise as well as that of many colleagues, I have learned that combining several of these well-established techniques rarely fails to remove the problem which is causing the cancer and then the body naturally removes the cancer itself. Anyone can do it. Why don't you try reading the book before you express judegements about what is in it?

[Karma Singh]

A real, live example: I have a suspicion that a device which is actually manufactured for a completely different purpose, could offer some hope with terminal, late stage cancer. I have a contact who works in a cancer research institute in New York and asked him how it might be possible to test this. Some time later, I received the reply from the medical director of the institute to the effect that, if I pay $50,000.00 up front, they would consider testing it on one patient, i.e. $50,000.00 per test patient! When I asked why, I was told that this is the amount of money that he would lose if a patient got well instead of dying. The device (still untested with cancer) costs ₤297.00 / US$497.00 retail!

This is the evil part of your pitch. People with cancer are understandably frightened and prepared to do anything to 'make it go away' . $500 isn't that much (although about $499 more than the untested 'chip' is worth) and so you get your money, feeding on scared and vulnerable people. If one of those people are believes you and is discouraged from seeking medical attention then, as Questioner says, murder is an appropriate description

What is evil? Offering to everyone who needs it a cheap, easy, painless way of resolving their health and welfare issues; is that evil and, if so, why?
Using black propaganda, secrecy, supression and downright lies to keep people from knowing about and accessing known, natural solutions in order to make $50,000.00 per death; is that not evil and, if not, why not?

Further, I think it reasonable to ask, "since when have you been an expert on cancer? What is your training? What is your experience with it? Can you explain how it is formed? (Hint, if you'd read my book, you would know - no, I don't present any theory of mine there but knowledge easily available with a little dilligence; knowledge which is, in some cases, over 1000 years old)

[Karma Singh]

I'm sure your magic product would qualify for the JREF million dollar prize and a double blind test by an independent and reputable scientific group would satisfy the protocol requirement. But I'm sure you have the same answer all quacks,scam artistes and purveyors of magical spells do: "JREF does not have the money*. JREF will cheat, the test will be fixed**. Or Sylvia Browne's excuse 'The money is tainted with evil because Randi has cursed it'***".

*yes they do. The test will be done with the media present and a default would give you immense publicity - even without the money - which of course you don't really want.
**JREF does not perform the test, the protocol is agreed to up front
*** If you Harmony chip does what you claim, I'm sure it could align the Quantum scalar waves to eliminate electronic smog and render the money harmonious and in full communication with your bank.

I see that you hav also been taken in by Mr. Randi. A friend pointed this out to me some 5 years ago. Curious as to why no-one had taken his million dollars as there are certainly tens of thousands who can do what he challenges, I read in detail his conditions and his website relating to it. The "conditions" are such that he can change them at will if the test looks as though it might be successful! Note that well please. Further, on his website, much of his "proofs" are based upon very defective methodology which would be thrown out of any basic science school and where prejudice, ignorance and bigotry are treated as facts "proving" his "conclusions".
No, Mr. Randi is far from honest which is why no honest healer has ever taken up his challenge. We're quite open to fair tests but not this sort of self-seeking publicity rubbish.

[Karma Singh]

How does it work?

I’ve been asked to explain how, exactly, does this all work.
The honest answer is that we don’t know, not exactly, not yet anyway.
As with so much about the Harmony Technology, we observe what happens, we see that almost everyone using the technology in the same way for the same objective gets the same benefit but, in many cases, we can only speculate as to what the exact mechanism is which brings this about. So is it here with the Harmony Phone Chips in the shoes.

Yes, of course, quote something out of context and you're certain to be awarded a Bonel Prize for your "research".
At the risk of "bending" the rules, I do take the liberty of inviting everyone to actually READ the technology pages on the Harmony Technology website http://www.harmonyunited.com

Now, a question for you, A Person. By what right do you presume to deny others access to that which may very well be of great benefit to them in an area in which you clearly have neither knowledge, training nor experience? By what process of thought do you consider your ignorance of a topic to be the true criteria from which to judge it? Lastly, This forum is about abortion - a matter which you have clearly fogotten - what do you consider to be the justification for your turning it into a cadence of malicious libels?