North Carolina Secular Association The inspiring words "one nation indivisible" is the way the original Pledge of Allegiance was written in 1892. It defined the nation as a melting pot to which people from all backgrounds and beliefs could contribute. No American was excluded in that statement.
When the phrase "under God" was inserted into the Pledge in 1954, it was a direct and deliberate insult to all Americans who do not believe in a monotheistic God and all Americans who believe in the founding ideals of this country not to establish religion.
It is ironic -- and sad -- that the words "under God" were used to divide the indivisible.
Two years later, in 1956, Congress passed an act to adopt a new national motto, this motto would supersede our former de facto national motto, the motto that our founders had given us, the motto that had served this nation well for over 150 years. Instead of the all-inclusive "E Pluribus Unum" -- Latin for "Out of Many, One" -- our new national motto became "In God We Trust," which again excludes anyone that doesn't believe in a monotheistic God.
I bet if you ask most conservative Christians they will tell you 'under God' is in the Constitution and not a McCarthy era corruption. Just like the money motto.
Re: One Nation, Indivisible
Posted: June 26th, 2010, 7:30 pm
by SouthernFriedInfidel
Indeed, this is the case. They ignore that fact, just as they ignore all facts that are presented to them that are inconvenient to their pre-defined world view. There is not a lot of intellectual honesty to be found among the unthinking horde. At least, not so long as they are discussing things that touch on their faith.
Okay cool... We knew this was going to happen... and apparently they have money for the billboard... cannot they install some cctv cameras to catch the assholes red handed?
Re: One Nation, Indivisible
Posted: June 30th, 2010, 2:08 pm
by SouthernFriedInfidel
Oh I expect that they could, but how often does billboard vandalism happen? It wouldn't be considered a worthwhile business expense unless it was a more common problem, I bet.
What gets me is how many people are upset by this... and comparing that with the number and volume of howls I'd expect were a church billboard to be similarly vandalized.
Re: One Nation, Indivisible
Posted: July 1st, 2010, 9:50 am
by Liv
No I mean, the advertisers.....
I mean, if I were going to pop the $2-$5000 dollars for a Greensboring billboard, one must assume it would get vandalized.... I'd definitely get one of those deer motion camera boxes and get the billboard company's permission to pop it near the ladder.... it just makes sense.
I mean I can't believe these people didn't expect it, so they understood that they were just throwing away the money?
Re: One Nation, Indivisible
Posted: July 1st, 2010, 9:55 am
by A Person
They're not throwing away money, the vandalism helps make the point - very neatly. Religion is divisive.
I'm sure they expected it
Re: One Nation, Indivisible
Posted: July 1st, 2010, 10:03 am
by Liv
The point is obvious though. We know Christians can do and act as they choose, and in the end as long as they say "not it" when it's over... it's all good then. The point here should be to show that these "Christians" who did this are criminals, and we must separate those who are good and religious, and those who are bad and religious... because they're not the same thing.
Re: One Nation, Indivisible
Posted: July 1st, 2010, 10:16 am
by A Person
Liv wrote:we must separate those who are good and religious, and those who are bad and religious...
unfortunately religion makes good people do bad things
Steven Weinberg wrote:Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, it takes religion."
Re: One Nation, Indivisible
Posted: July 1st, 2010, 10:33 am
by SouthernFriedInfidel
Very apt quote indeed.
Re: One Nation, Indivisible
Posted: July 1st, 2010, 3:35 pm
by Liv
I've always asked religious people not to judge me, we should expect no less of ourselves in judging them. Just because they identify as Christian, Muslims, Jewish, etc... doesn't mean they're bad, or do the bad things the religion or other people in the religion are responsible for.
Re: One Nation, Indivisible
Posted: July 6th, 2010, 7:21 am
by Sanjuro
Just to balance this out... Vandalism seems to be a two way road...
Re: One Nation, Indivisible
Posted: July 6th, 2010, 7:40 am
by SouthernFriedInfidel
See, this was just vandalism, not editorializing, like the first story.
Re: One Nation, Indivisible
Posted: July 6th, 2010, 8:18 am
by A Person
It does have the redeeming virtue of being funny
Re: One Nation, Indivisible
Posted: July 6th, 2010, 8:20 am
by A Person
Plus philosphical. If you remember Jesus was a fisher of men, so the one that got away must be SFI who presumably is at least that big.
Re: One Nation, Indivisible
Posted: July 6th, 2010, 8:21 am
by Sanjuro
A Person wrote:It does have the redeeming virtue of being funny
Can't argue that. Not to mention its funny on a couple of levels.
You know, the Nazi slogan in WWII was "God is with us". Just sayin...
Re: One Nation, Indivisible
Posted: July 8th, 2010, 8:55 am
by A Person
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Re: One Nation, Indivisible
Posted: July 8th, 2010, 11:24 am
by Liv
So who is up for some late-night graffiti-ing?
Re: One Nation, Indivisible
Posted: July 8th, 2010, 11:58 am
by Serendipitous
Sanj and I were just commenting about an electronic billboard we saw the other day and not being able to deface that because the messages cycle through. I figured it would just look like a blond has been at your computer monitor with the whiteout to fix her typos.
Re: One Nation, Indivisible
Posted: July 8th, 2010, 3:11 pm
by A Person
And you haven't found out how to hack the source?
Re: One Nation, Indivisible
Posted: July 8th, 2010, 3:46 pm
by Liv
A Person wrote:And you haven't found out how to hack the source?
That's a good idea...
Re: One Nation, Indivisible
Posted: July 8th, 2010, 10:16 pm
by Serendipitous
Liv wrote:
A Person wrote:And you haven't found out how to hack the source?
Posted: June 26th, 2010, 10:20 am
