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Postby A Person » Fri Nov 19, 2010 5:05 pm

Pope, church leaders call for guaranteed health care for all people

The pope's message was read by Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, Vatican secretary of state, to participants at the 25th International Conference of the Pontifical Council for Health Care Ministry at the Vatican Nov. 18-19.

The theme of this year's meeting was "Caritas in Veritate - toward an equitable and human health care."

The pope lamented the great inequalities in health care around the globe. While people in many parts of the world aren't able to receive essential medications or even the most basic care, in industrialized countries there is a risk of "pharmacological, medical and surgical consumerism" that leads to "a cult of the body," the pope said.
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"Justice requires guaranteed universal access to health care," he said, adding that the provision of minimal levels of medical attention to all is "commonly accepted as a fundamental human right."

Governments are obligated, therefore, to adopt the proper legislative, administrative and financial measures to provide such care along with other basic conditions that promote good health, such as food security, water and housing, the cardinal said.

Private health insurance companies, he said, should conform to human rights legislation and see to it that "privatization not become a threat to the accessibility, availability and quality of health care goods and services."


But what about those "Death Panels", ha! Why doesn't he say something about Death Panels?
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Postby Liv » Fri Nov 19, 2010 6:18 pm

That Pope... he's such a likable guy...
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Postby A Person » Fri Nov 19, 2010 6:59 pm

Just to balance it off

Catholic cardinal warns gay activists are persecuting Christians - by not letting Christians persecute them

Freedom of thought and expression is under threat from the gay rights movement, said Cardinal Giacomo Biffi, the retired archbishop of Bologna, in memoirs that are published on Thursday. And the result is that those people who disagreed with the homosexual agenda are being ostracised by society, he said.
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"The attacks on freedom of thought start with language," he wrote. "Those who do not resign themselves to accept 'homophilia' ... are charged with 'homophobia'."


Or to put it another way

"The attacks on freedom of thought start with language, those who do not resign themselves to accept n***ers ... are charged with 'racism'."
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Postby Liv » Fri Nov 19, 2010 8:47 pm

Just waiting for the Pope to begin the draft, and expand the swiss guard.... How many Christians would go to war for their Popey.
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Postby BecauseHeLives » Sat Nov 20, 2010 2:50 am

I am totally against the homosexual agenda. That doesn't make me have homophobia though. That would require an irrational fear of homesexuality for that to be true. Gays always seem to throw the homophobia card around when people don't agree with them because they believe they are the only ones with rational though processes. Liv is a prime example.
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Postby A Person » Sat Nov 20, 2010 3:45 am

Homopobia isn't a great term, since it it does imply a fear rather than an irrational prejudice against homosexuality.

There isn't really a consistent term for arbitrary or irrational discrimination against a minority group. We have 'racist', 'antisemitic' for other groups but 'homosexualist' sounds wrong and 'antigay' while accurate doesn't seem to have any traction

Homophobia as it is now used is the de-facto word to describe arbitrary discrimination against homosexuals, so that's what we'll continue to use. And to be honest there does seem to be an element of fear that comes out in all the arguments- 'teh gays will turn my kids into gays if they teach in schools', "my marriage will end if gay marriage is legal', "if I see two men kiss my head will explode", "God will give Greensboro an enema if I don't stop gays from licking each other's naughty bits"

I understand you dislike the idea of homosexuality, it makes you feel funny and icky. No problem, the gay community will be happy if you keep your dick in your pants or your wife. It's when you try to discriminate that your dislike becomes the problem
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Postby BecauseHeLives » Sat Nov 20, 2010 5:00 am

A Person wrote:Homophobia as it is now used is the de-facto word to describe arbitrary discrimination against homosexuals, so that's what we'll continue to use.


de facto has no hyphen.

It seems to me that you inject "hate" into the homophobia word. Arbitrary doesn't mean a decision was made by random processes. I have my reasons and my reasons are thought out.

And to be honest there does seem to be an element of fear that comes out in all the arguments-

The only fear I've witnessed on this board is from people supporting the gay argument.

'teh gays will turn my kids into gays if they teach in schools', "my marriage will end if gay marriage is legal', "if I see two men kiss my head will explode", "God will give Greensboro an enema if I don't stop gays from licking each other's naughty bits"

A pretty crude example of a strawman argument especially since I've never posted anything similar to that. Are you sure you aren't gearing your statements to match your preconceived conclusions? It appears so.

I understand you dislike the idea of homosexuality,

No, you don't. I don't like or condone the homosexual lifestyle. It has nothing to to with an idea.

it makes you feel funny and icky.

You are no expert on how anything makes me feel.

No problem, the gay community will be happy if you keep your dick in your pants or your wife.
It sounds as if you are speaking for the gay community now. Perhaps you have a stronger connection than I first realized.

It's when you try to discriminate that your dislike becomes the problem

Huh? Dude, you really should get some rest. You're just blabbering incomprehensible stuff now. Everyone discriminates against things they don't like. I dislike mushrooms therefore I discriminate against them when I order pizzas.
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Postby SouthernFriedInfidel » Sat Nov 20, 2010 9:52 am

A Person wrote:Pope, church leaders call for guaranteed health care for all people

The pope's message was read by Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, Vatican secretary of state, to participants at the 25th International Conference of the Pontifical Council for Health Care Ministry at the Vatican Nov. 18-19.

The theme of this year's meeting was "Caritas in Veritate - toward an equitable and human health care."

The pope lamented the great inequalities in health care around the globe. While people in many parts of the world aren't able to receive essential medications or even the most basic care, in industrialized countries there is a risk of "pharmacological, medical and surgical consumerism" that leads to "a cult of the body," the pope said.
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"Justice requires guaranteed universal access to health care," he said, adding that the provision of minimal levels of medical attention to all is "commonly accepted as a fundamental human right."

Governments are obligated, therefore, to adopt the proper legislative, administrative and financial measures to provide such care along with other basic conditions that promote good health, such as food security, water and housing, the cardinal said.

Private health insurance companies, he said, should conform to human rights legislation and see to it that "privatization not become a threat to the accessibility, availability and quality of health care goods and services."


But what about those "Death Panels", ha! Why doesn't he say something about Death Panels?

This is what happens when Christians live under a sinful socialist regime. They absorb the ideas of the society around them and ignore God's command to let people die if they are to poor to visit a doctor. Christians around the world should get together and pray that their brethren in Europe should see the light and work to put an end to all this evil caring for everyone.
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Postby A Person » Sat Nov 20, 2010 4:38 pm

BecauseHeLives wrote:The only fear I've witnessed on this board is from people supporting the gay argument.

Since gays are actively being discriminated against then their fear of discrimination is justified.

BecauseHeLives wrote:It seems to me that you inject "hate" into the homophobia word

Hate is a word I seldom use.

BecauseHeLives wrote:Arbitrary doesn't mean a decision was made by random processes.

Yes it does
arbitrary(ar¦bi|trary)
1 based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system:
an arbitrary decision
2 (of power or a ruling body) unrestrained and autocratic in the use of authority:
a country under arbitrary government


BecauseHeLives wrote:I have my reasons and my reasons are thought out.

You have yet to explain how someone else's sexual practices affect you in any way.

BecauseHeLives wrote:No, you don't. I don't like or condone the homosexual lifestyle. It has nothing to to with an idea.

What is this 'homosexual lifestyle' to which you refer? All the gays I know have a lifestyle virtually indistinguishable from any other. Or are you just referring to how people get sexual gratification?

BecauseHeLives wrote:It sounds as if you are speaking for the gay community now. Perhaps you have a stronger connection than I first realized.

It was presumptious of me to speak as if for a community. If you meant the next bit as an insult then I suggest you grow up. I can oppose discrimination on the basis of sex and race while being a white male.

BecauseHeLives wrote:Everyone discriminates against things they don't like. I dislike mushrooms therefore I discriminate against them when I order pizzas.

Fine, don't order mushrooms. It's when you say that because you don't like mushrooms no one may eat mushrooms, that you move from a personal preference to discrimination.

And to forestall any continued attempt to conflate differing meanings of 'discriminate', in this discussion I am using it in this sense: "make an unjust or prejudicial distinction in the treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of race , sex, or age"
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Postby Liv » Sat Nov 20, 2010 4:54 pm

BecauseHeLives wrote: I am totally against the homosexual agenda. That doesn't make me have homophobia though. That would require an irrational fear of homesexuality for that to be true. Gays always seem to throw the homophobia card around when people don't agree with them because they believe they are the only ones with rational though processes.


Those who are the most intolerant, live with the most fear.

BecauseHeLives wrote: Liv is a prime example.


I always thought of myself more of as the Golden Ratio....
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