noblegray wrote:How about the bible as translated from the original Hebrew text instead of translations of translations filtered through partially or fully corrupt cowards, those not learned enough provide a translation, and those who were just plain ignorant:
And where does this translation exist?
noblegray wrote:Leviticus 18:6 "Man, man shall not draw near to any flesh of his body/flesh."
I notice you do not provide a source for this translation. It's not from
New International Version (©1984)
New Living Translation (©2007)
English Standard Version (©2001)
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
American King James Version
American Standard Version
Douay-Rheims Bible
Darby Bible Translation
English Revised Version
Webster's Bible Translation
World English Bible
Young's Literal TranslationDid you make it up?
Anyway, I believe I addressed Leviticus way back at the beginning of this thread
A Person Sat Sep 20, 2008 7:07 pm wrote:Ah yes it is Leviticus that prohibits incest - along with eating shellfish, and wearing mixed fibres. It doesn't prohibit fathers screwing their daughters though (granddaughters are out). Since dispensation of grace renders Leviticus obsolete we will have to see if Jesus said anything about incest...
You conveniently only mentioned Leviticus 18:6 and omitted the following verses which prescribes in exhausting detail what was meant by the 'flesh of your body' that you must not engage in sex with.
18:6 None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness: I am the LORD.
18:7 The nakedness of thy father, or the nakedness of thy mother, shalt thou not uncover: she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.
18:8 The nakedness of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover: it is thy father's nakedness.
18:9 The nakedness of thy sister, the daughter of thy father, or daughter of thy mother, whether she be born at home, or born abroad, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover.
18:10 The nakedness of thy son's daughter, or of thy daughter's daughter, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover: for theirs is thine own nakedness.
18:11 The nakedness of thy father's wife's daughter, begotten of thy father, she is thy sister, thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.
18:12 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's sister: she is thy father's near kinswoman.
18:13 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy mother's sister: for she is thy mother's near kinswoman.
18:14 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's brother, thou shalt not approach to his wife: she is thine aunt.
18:15 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy daughter in law: she is thy son's wife; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.
18:16 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy brother's wife: it is thy brother's nakedness.
18:17 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of a woman and her daughter, neither shalt thou take her son's daughter, or her daughter's daughter, to uncover her nakedness; for they are her near kinswomen: it is wickedness.
18:18 Neither shalt thou take a wife to her sister, to vex her, to uncover her nakedness, beside the other in her life time.
18:19 Also thou shalt not approach unto a woman to uncover her nakedness, as long as she is put apart for her uncleanness.
You will note that in the detailed prohibitions,
sex with your daughter is not forbidden. If verse 6 was intended to be inclusive of all incestuous relationships then verses 7 to 19 are redundant. If verses 7 to 19 are intended to be definitive, then sex with your daughter is not forbidden. Even though sex between a mother and her son is. Lex specialis overrides lex generalis. Was God absent minded when he breathed that passage into Moses' (or whomever the author was) ear?
Using Leviticus as a source of morals is problematic, since very few Christians feel that eating shellfish (Lev 11:12), wearing cloth of mixed fibers (Lev 19:19) or talking to your wife when she's menstruating (Lev 18:19) is an abomination. If the Bible gets this wrong, why should we take any notice of the rest?
